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Down - $8.80 this minute.
Entertainment profits should be higher / parks are getting stale.
Igers talk is hot air.
This is a classic buy the rumor, sell the news moment.

Everyone thought the switch to before the bell would result in either blow away earnings or a big announcement. We got neither and now investors are disappointed and selling.

Quarter was good, but not spectacular. Streaming is solidly growing, parks continue to generate massive returns consistently and sports is stable. The only real bad things are the linear declines, although these declines are known, and a dip in international Disney+ subscribers.
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/disn...-streaming-business-profitable-103032382.html

Disney stock falls as company attempts to make streaming business profitable
by Alexandra Canal · Senior Reporter
Tue, May 7, 2024, 8:38 AM CDT

Disney (DIS) said Tuesday an important part of its streaming business turned a profit for the first time but that it expects weaker results in that segment for the current quarter, sending its stock down nearly 10% in early trading.

The forecast highlights Disney's challenges in achieving sustained profitability in streaming, a key priority as its linear TV business declines. Overall, CEO Bob Iger's recent turnaround plan has made investors more bullish on the stock in recent months. The company is also fresh off a win in a high-profile proxy fight against activist investor Nelson Peltz.

In Disney's fiscal second quarter, the direct-to-consumer (DTC) portion of its entertainment segment, which includes Disney+ and Hulu, posted operating income of $47 million, compared to a loss of $587 million in the prior-year period.

The company said it expects DTC results in the entertainment segment to be in the red in the third quarter, driven by losses from its Indian brand Disney+ Hotstar.

Additionally, not all of Disney's streaming services were profitable in Q2. Including ESPN+, total direct-to-consumer losses amounted to $18 million versus the $659 million loss reported in the year-earlier period. Disney expects full streaming profitability by the fourth quarter of this year.

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The company reported Q2 adjusted earnings of $1.21 a share — a beat compared with the $1.10 analysts polled by Bloomberg had expected and higher than the $0.93 Disney reported in Q2 2023.

Revenue came in at $22.1 billion, meeting consensus expectations and ahead of the $21.82 billion the company reported in the year-ago period.

Disney also raised its guidance for full-year adjusted earnings growth to 25%, up from the prior 20%. However, Disney did take a hit after merging its Star India business with Reliance Industries, reporting an impairment charge of more than $2 billion.

KeyBanc analyst Brandon Nispel said in a note following the Q2 results that "soft guidance for entertainment streaming next quarter might tamp enthusiasm. In all, though, today's news strengthens Iger's argument that Disney is in the middle of a long-awaited turnaround."

Nispel also noted investors may view Disney's tepid outlook for its Experiences business, which includes theme parks, as a "negative" for the stock. The company said third quarter operating income for the segment should be "roughly comparable to the prior year."

On the earnings call, Disney CFO Hugh Johnston said the company has seen "some evidence of a global moderation from peak post-COVID travel" at its theme parks. He also noted rising costs and inflation will likely register a hit to profits.

Q2 standouts: Streaming, parks business

In the second quarter, the media giant reported an increase in Disney+ subscriber additions as Charter cable subscribers began to receive complimentary subscriptions as part of their packages.

Disney added more than 6 million core Disney+ subscribers in the second quarter, ahead of its own guidance and easily beating Bloomberg consensus estimates of 4.7 million.

The company also saw continued positive momentum in average revenue per user, or ARPU, amid recent price hikes and a crackdown on password sharing. ARPU increased sequentially by $0.44 to reach $7.28.

"I think you're going to see prices steadily go up over time in the streaming service mostly because the content we have is worth paying for," Johnston told Yahoo Finance's executive editor Brian Sozzi on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the parks business delivered another strong quarter of results with domestic operating income surging to $1.61 billion compared to $1.52 billion in the prior year.

The company attributed the increase to higher profits at Walt Disney World Resort and Disney Cruise Line, partially offset by lower results at Disneyland Resort.

Meanwhile, domestic operating income at ESPN fell 9% year over year to $780 million, dragged down by lower affiliate revenue and fewer subscribers as more consumers cut the cord. The company also blamed the results on an increase in production costs due to College Football Playoff (CFP) programming.

It was a similar story for domestic linear network revenue within the entertainment division, which fell 11% year over year in the quarter. Operating income within the segment dropped 18%. This was also blamed on lower affiliate revenue, along with a decline in advertising revenue.

In February, Disney doubled down on sports streaming with the reveal of an upcoming joint venture partnership with Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery. The company is also working on a separate sports streaming platform for ESPN, set to debut in fall 2025.

Related to sports, Disney has reportedly agreed to increase its media rights deal with the NBA to $2.6 billion, up from the previous $1.5 billion. The NBA's current rights deal expires at the end of next season.
 
McDonald's, Starbucks, and Tyson Foods have all reported low- and middle-income customers dialing back purchases as inflation pinches pocketbooks, maybe it's only a matter of time before TWDC sees the same customers pull back on streaming spending, park tickets, cruises, movie tickets, spirit jerseys, etc.?

I blame Chapek. :)
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/disney-fewer-marvel-movie-releases-why-rcna151016

Disney to cap the number of Marvel movies it releases each year as it doubles down on 'quality'
Just one Marvel movie, "Deadpool and Wolverine," is slated for release this year.

May 7, 2024, 9:14 AM CDT
By Rob Wile

Disney will release no more than three Marvel films and up to two Disney+ shows each year going forward as it works to place more focus on quality output.

The announcement by CEO Bob Iger comes as Disney shares plunged 8% in Tuesday trading following the release of the entertainment giant's earnings.

This year will see the release of just one Marvel film: "Deadpool and Wolverine" starring Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman, slated for a July 26 release.

The next Marvel film, a Captain America sequel, won't be released until at least February 2025, according to Disney's latest earnings presentation. "Thunderbolts," a film focused on Captain America sidekick Bucky Barnes, is scheduled for May 2025.

Disney also has Marvel content in the works for Disney+, including ones related to Black Panther and Spider-Man — but no release dates yet.

"I’ve been working hard with the studio to reduce output and focus more on quality," Iger said on the company's earnings call Tuesday.

"That’s particularly true with Marvel ... Some of what is coming up is a vestige of basically a desire in the past (to) increase volume. We’re slowly going to decrease volume and go to probably about two TV series a year instead of what had become four and reduce our film output from maybe four a year to two, to the maximum three, and we’re working hard on what that path is."

Disney reported quarterly revenues of $22.08 billion, short of Wall Street expectations; Disney+ subscribers of 153.6 million also failed to hit analysts' targets.

It was the company's first earnings report following a tumultuous vote on whether to continue down a course led by Iger, who faced a challenge from outside investors critical of the company's performance.

While Iger ultimately won that vote, Tuesday's results could spark new fears that the company may take longer to reach its financial goals.

Iger also announced that the company intends to derive significant revenues from limits on Disney+ password-sharing. The company already began limiting sharing on its Hulu platform, and previously signaled account-sharing restrictions would start rolling out in June.
 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...licensing-content-other-platforms-1235892380/

Disney “Looking Selectively” at Licensing More Content

In the past, CEO Bob Iger had eschewed the thought, saying it would be like “selling nuclear weapons technology to a Third World country, and now they’re using it against us.”

May 7, 2024 - 6:51am PDT
by Caitlin Hustin

Disney is exploring licensing some more of its content.

“We’re already doing some licensing with Netflix, and we’re looking selectively at other possibilities. I don’t want to declare that it’s a direction we’ll go more aggressively or not. But we certainly are taking a look at it and being expansive in our thinking about it,” Disney CEO Bob Iger said on the company’s earnings call Tuesday.

In the past, Iger had eschewed the thought of licensing to third parties, and specifically to Netflix, saying in a January 2022 interview with The New York Times that it would be like “selling nuclear weapons technology to a Third World country, and now they’re using it against us.”

However, in November 2023, Iger said that while the company won’t “chase bucks,” it was already licensing some content to Netflix and would continue to do so. At the time Iger said he would not expect to license Disney’s “core brands.”

On Tuesday, Iger said while he does not expect Disney to do a “significant amount” of licensing, they are looking at it with an “open mind.”

“We had previously thought that exclusivity, meaning our own product and our own platforms, had huge value. It definitely does have some value. But we’re also watching as some studios have licensed content to third party streamers, and that then creates more traction, more awareness. And the fact increases not only the value of the content from a financial perspective, but just in terms of traction. So we’re looking at it with an open mind, but I don’t think you should expect that we’ll do a significant amount of it,” Iger said.

This comes as Disney nears profitability in its streaming business. The company reported that its combined direct-to-consumer businesses of Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ lost only $18 million last quarter, on revenues of $6.2 billion. And, when ESPN+ is removed from that equation, the entertainment streaming business was profitable, with revenues of $5.6 billion and a net profit of $47 million. The entire streaming division is expected to be fully in the black in the fiscal fourth quarter.

The streaming profits will also likely be helped by a continued password crackdown, which is set to begin next month, “in very select markets,” ahead of a broader rollout in September.

“We feel quite bullish about it. Obviously, we’re heartened by the results that Netflix has delivered in their password sharing initiative and believe that will be one of the contributors to growth, as [CFO Hugh Johnston] noted going forward,” Iger said.
 
Someone must have moved the goalposts again. It wasn't me, I promise!!
Haha. I gave up on what Wall Street does day-to-day a long time ago. All you can do is look at the fundamentals and KPI's. Rev and profit and cash flow are all terrific

Today would have been a great time to copy Neflix and abandon reporting DTC subs and just focus on the bottom line.
 
As a consumer I didn’t even realize they’d been in cost cutting mode at WDW this last quarter, that was some well done cost cutting…
 
$DIS back to 2018-19 Profit and Free Cash Flow levels along with fwd guidance going up… of course the stock is down. 🤪

2019 there was a lot of promise surrounding the launch of Disney+. I believe the service is doing well, but nobody thinks Disney will become a platform that serves as a backend for all streaming services, or that Disney will be using tech to grow into a million new niches in the same way that folks might think Netflix would. Also, interest rates are higher now, and PE ratio is still in the 60s?

Seems fair enough.
 

CFRA LOWERS RATING TO HOLD FROM BUY ON SHARES OF THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY​

3:18 pm ET May 7, 2024 (CFRA) Print

We have less confidence in DIS realizing consistent results in its Entertainmentand Sports units. We cut our target $23 to $116, on a forward TEV/EBITDA of13.4x, below the three-year historic average at 13.6x. We lower our FY 24 (Sep.)EPS to $4.65 from $4.70 and FY 25's to $5.35 from $5.50. DIS posted Q2 adj. EPSof $1.21 (consensus $1.09) and a slight revenue miss at $22.08B. DIS is guidingfor a weaker Q3, with lower subscriber adds and higher one-time expenses.Experience (Parks/Cruise Lines) realized +10% Y/Y revenue growth and +12%operating income growth, with international parks +29% (6%) and domestic +7%(6%). Linear Networks (pay TV/broadcast) realized a 7% revenue decline andoperating income -18% Y/Y, with lower subscriptions/advertising. DTC posted +13%revenue, with Disney+ Core subscribers at 117.6M (+6% Y/Y), Disney+ Hotstar at36.0M (-6%), and Hulu at 50.2M (+1%). Sports realized +2% revenue Y/Y and -2%operating income, while the ESPN unit showed +3% revenue and -9% operatingincome.
 
2019 there was a lot of promise surrounding the launch of Disney+. I believe the service is doing well, but nobody thinks Disney will become a platform that serves as a backend for all streaming services, or that Disney will be using tech to grow into a million new niches in the same way that folks might think Netflix would. Also, interest rates are higher now, and PE ratio is still in the 60s?

Seems fair enough.
Sure, but there was nothing in this report that should cause a massive drop (IMO) but c'est la vie. I have to give a big shoulder shrug to it all.
 
Sure, but there was nothing in this report that should cause a massive drop (IMO) but c'est la vie. I have to give a big shoulder shrug to it all.

Right, but many stocks are wildly volatile right now this earnings season. Maybe a harbinger of an imminent selloff. I dunno. But somehow there's a significant misalignment of earnings expectations and actuals almost across the entire market. Doesn't necessarily mean much for $DIS.
 
Forward PE is a much more reasonable 24, and that should be what the market is looking at.

Yes and no. You have to assume that there will be no disruptions to the forecast. Far too many folks seem to think future earnings are guaranteed.
 
Several analysts opinions contained herein, fwiw.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...sney-stock-drop-analysts-earnings-1235892297/

Why Disney Stock Dropped Sharply Despite Nearing Streaming Profit, Improved Earnings Outlook
The entertainment giant reported mixed fiscal second-quarter earnings and some near-term challenges, including at theme parks.

May 7, 2024 9:26am
by Georg Szalai

Disney‘s latest quarterly earnings report and conference call with management had much for Wall Street to like, including progress toward streaming profits and an increased full-year earnings forecast, but it wasn’t enough to keep its shares from dropping around 10 percent on Tuesday.

As of 12:15 p.m. EDT, Disney’s stock was down 10.4 percent at $104.32, making it one of the stock’s worst days over the past year.

While many analysts sounded upbeat notes on several fronts, especially Disney’s moving closer to streaming profitability, the Hollywood conglomerate reported mixed fiscal second-quarter earnings and some near-term challenges, including at theme parks. Newish Disney CFO Hugh Johnston, for example, warned on the earnings call that despite “healthy demand” at parks, “we are seeing some evidence of a global moderation from peak post-COVID travel.”

All in all, it wasn’t enough to boost bullishness to new heights. And with Disney’s stock up nearly 20 percent so far in 2024 before the earnings update, well ahead of the broad-based S&P 500 stock index’s gain of around 9 percent, it seemed like it would have been too big an ask to beat investors’ expectations so convincingly as to drive the shares even higher right now.

Not that there wasn’t a focus on the positive expected later this year. For example, many financial experts highlighted the fact that Disney narrowed its streaming loss to $18 million and even reached a $47 million profit when excluding ESPN+, while reiterating that its streaming division will be in the black in the fiscal fourth quarter, as previously promised, and be a “meaningful future growth driver for the company.”

With consistent streaming profitability having long been an elusive goal for entertainment titans, Wall Street observers, in their post-earnings commentary, touched on the success of Disney and CEO Bob Iger, who recently emerged from a bruising proxy battle, in approaching it. The latest streaming improvements also come after an extended struggle to convince analysts that Iger’s overhaul initiatives will pay off.

Here is a closer look at Wall Street experts’ key takeaways from Disney’s latest results and forecasts.

CFRA Research analyst Kenneth Leon on Tuesday cut his rating on Disney’s stock from “buy” to “hold” and slashed his price target by $23 to $116. “We have less confidence in Disney realizing consistent results in its entertainment and sports units,” he explained. And he highlighted that his new stock price target assumes “a forward total enterprise value/earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization of 13.4 times, below the three-year historic average at 13.6 times.”

Bank of America analyst Jessica Reif Ehrlich reiterated her “buy” rating and $145 price target on Disney’s stock on Tuesday. “Disney reported a solid fiscal second quarter with revenue essentially inline and operating income modestly ahead of our expectations,” she cheered. “The company also raised their fiscal year 2024 earnings per share outlook to 25 percent, versus at least 20 percent previously.”

The expert highlighted that Disney’s direct-to-consumer (DTC) did better than she had expected, while traditional TV came in weaker. “DTC outperforms while linear lower than expected,” she concluded in the headline to one of the paragraphs in her report. “Linear networks operating income was $752 million (versus our $800 million) as lower domestic revenue was driven by lower affiliate revenue due to the non-renewal of carriage of certain networks and a decline in advertising revenue attributable to a lower average viewership.”

Another gray cloud in the sky was provided by a look at the current quarter. “Disney now expects fiscal third-quarter experiences operating income to be similar to the prior year which implies operating income around $300 million below our current forecast,” she noted.

Reif Ehrlich’s overall bullish takeaway: “Disney has a collection of best-in-class premier assets (in content/IP as well as theme parks). Near-term catalysts include: 1) additional updates on strategic priorities for Disney, 2) an inflection in profitability in DTC.”

UBS analyst John Hodulik also pointed out mixed trends, but in the headline of his report highlighted: “Earnings per share & free cash flow pacing ahead.” He stuck to his “buy” rating and $140 price target on Disney shares.

“DTC was profitable,” excluding ESPN, he wrote. “Management expects softer DTC profits in the fiscal third quarter (UBS estimate: -$52 million) due to Hotstar but profitability in the fiscal fourth quarter. Core Disney+ subscribers increased by 6.3 million (UBS estimate 5.9 million; guide 5.5-6.0 million), including 7.9 million in the U.S. and Canada adds with the Charter deal (UBS estimate 7.5 million). Hulu subs increased by 0.5 million (UBS estimate: flat) versus 1.2 million in the fiscal first quarter.”

Hodulik also emphasized Disney’s increased full-year earnings outlook but pointed out “mixed” theme parks commentary that didn’t surprise him too much. “Disney reported stronger earnings per share and in-line revenues, while forward commentary for the parks was mixed due to higher costs from the new cruise ship (similar to previous launches).”

Wolfe Research analyst Peter Supino maintained his “peer perform” rating without a stock price target in his first take. He highlighted “better results at DTC and sports, and in-line experiences, partially offset by softer linear networks and content/licensing performance.”

The expert explained that linear results were “impacted by the non-renewal of carriage of certain networks by Charter,” while the content/licensing business posted a quarterly loss as “revenue came in weaker at $1.39 billion (consensus: $1.51 billion) as there were no significant titles in the current quarter.”

Beyond Wall Street, Third Bridge analyst Jamie Lumley also dissected the good and the challenging in Disney’s quarterly results and outlook. “Disney continues to push for streaming profitability and is making substantial progress towards its goal,” he wrote. “A loss of $18 million is a huge improvement for the direct-to-consumer segment that at times has lost over $1 billion a quarter.” He added: “The U.S. streaming market in particular is mature and difficult to navigate, making Disney’s near-8 million Disney+ subscriber adds a very positive sign.”

But it’s not all roses. “Disney’s business is facing a few challenges. $2 billion in goodwill impairments driven by Disney’s operations in India and linear business are weighing on results, in addition to the ongoing cord-cutting pressure that will continue to impact Disney’s networks,” warned Lumley.

And then there is that old question of who will succeed Iger. “Investors are still looking for clarity on succession planning. We’ve heard from our experts that Dana Walden is the frontrunner for the CEO role, but at this point nothing is set in stone,” highlighted Lumley. “We might not hear any updates until 2025 as Disney’s board makes sure it finds the right candidate for the job.”
 

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